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 Post subject: Dhrill
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:52 am 
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Hi there !

As I said on another topic, I find the "Dhrill" pretty hard to play.
So here's a special topic for this perticular phrase.

Ahaw wrote:
Concerning the Dhrill.
It's for me one of the hardest sound to get correctly.
I'm no expert at all, but I'll tell you how I see the thing, please tell me if I'm right or wrong.

That retroflex tongue position (cf. M*lk*y's CD) is the same used in throat singing to produce the overtone.
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In Jeremy Cloake's new CD (Balanda Yidaki Dhukarr), we hear that overtone when he's just singing the "Dhrill" (without the didj).

As M*lk*y and Jeremy explain and show on their CDs, Dhrill is a tongue movement from interdental tongue position to retroflex position.
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From what I understand, the Dhrill sound is really produced in that movement, and not in the starting or ending tongue position in themselves.
I imagine that movement as an excavator's shovel (!!!).
As if the tongue was that shovel that had to bring back the air-flow into the throat, working against that air pressure and letting only a small thin amout pass through.
Or... if we see it the other way : as if the tongue was trying to pull inside your throat the air of the outside (or of inside the didj), a bit like a dog lapping water...
And maybe that last image is the origin for the use of the verb "to pull" instead of "to play" when talking about didjing ?

I don't know if this "imagery" could fit with the Dhrill or if it is way out ? Please tell me...

There also is still something I didn't figure out at all there (neither in throatsinging):
When retroflexing the tongue, does the tip of the tongue touch the palate or is it just close to it without touching ?
Does the air pass only through the sides of the tongue or also a little bit from above ?


kdidj wrote:
(...) The tongue touches the palate in the retroflexed position.


So I thought I might give it a try that way and submit it to your criticism :
HERE IS MY DHRILL ATTEMPT (it's kinda Dhrill Lo Lo)
Does it need more PV ? A different pitched PV ? More pressure ? Else ?

Thanks :D

EDIT > again, my mp3 file is truncated to the first 2 seconds if played on clik... Gotta download it for full listening... sorry.

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